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#1 2007-11-08 14:02:27

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Quick Photoshop help question....

Hi guys,

I have an image going to the printers and I need to do the following in Photoshop... it's very noobish I know!

- Convert all black text to single channel colour rather than four channel colour.
- Reduce the deep blue from a four channel colour to a three channel colour.


How do I do that? In the past I've just sent stuff in CMYK and that's been fine but now they're being all annoying and wanting me to do it properly butter

Thanks in advance!

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#2 2007-11-08 14:59:17

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

This reply isn't going to help you, but....

It doesn't sound like your printing service knows whats going on. Surely, they should be able to handle this themselves, as most people aren't professional digital designers.

Sheez, the more I think about it, the more I get mad.....

"I'm sorry Bill, but if you can't bring yourself up to our glorious level, then we just can't do business together."

I better call it a day......

btw.... What kind of file are you sending them? Jpeg or Tiff file...... or the actual PSD file?

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#3 2007-11-08 15:09:00

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

Yeah, they shouldn't need to worry about all that. What are they printing ON?

Have your image in CMYK, send em the vector file, and they should be good.

I've never had to worry about anything past converting it to CMYK.

CYMK should handle what they are asking anyways. That's what it means - Cyan Magenta Yellow Density(K). Single channel for black - the density. Three channels for color - C, M, Y.


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#4 2007-11-08 15:22:45

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

I'm sending them the actual PSD... I'm literally at the stage of things flying round the room now, trying to find out how the hell to do this.

I t hink I've managed to change the 4 colour blue to 3 colour blue just by going into the colour picker and deleting the yellow % of the colour... it still basically looks the same.

However, when I do the same thing with black and go in and delete everything apart from K, it just looks grey. I tried doing this "rich black" rubbish and add 40%C - that just looked blue! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!

I agree totally with you guys that the printers should just do this for me but there you go... Does anyone know how to do this true black?

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#5 2007-11-08 15:23:48

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

Oh and it's www.printing.com that I'm doing it with. I've never had a problem with them before but I'm printing through a different franchise with this particular client.



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#6 2007-11-08 15:30:29

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

Wow..... you're sending them the actual PSD file, and they STILL want you to do the footwork?

Thats like a client basically handing you cash, and telling them that you're not interested.

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#7 2007-11-08 15:51:29

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

Yeah - if they have the PSD they should do it for you especially if you don't know what they want. May be time for a new printing company....


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#8 2007-11-08 15:58:48

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

You're firing me up now guys - I'm going to have to bite my lip and be polite and ask him to do it, as my client is in a rush.... usually I'm the sort of person to tell people to stick it but not this time glad



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#9 2007-11-08 16:21:36

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

MarkCCDC wrote:

Yeah - if they have the PSD they should do it for you especially if you don't know what they want. May be time for a new printing company....

Not just 'do it for you'...... more like - ".... do it for you, and it will take less than 3 seconds"

The staff at these companies should have at least some prior working knowledge of all the most common software available.

Personally, I would finish your work with that company, just to take care of your customer.... then never go back. Obviously it's a small time operation, or they got new staff that don't know anything (sounds like the company I used to work for)

Either way, considering your line of work, I would seriously consider finding someone else, as these people will be a thorn in your side on every project from here on out.

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#10 2007-11-08 16:25:46

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

I've basically told them in as nice a way as possible to do it themselves and don't try charging me extra for it glad

I believe that the company behind the franchise is the largest in the UK and possibly Europe but as with all franchises, the individual stores can be very different in standards and protocol.

When I knew even less about printing protocol than I do now, one of my clients got charged $40 for changing something from RGB to CMYK, which as I'm sure most people will know is just one click of the mouse. Fact is people try and do as little as possible and make as much money as possible... tis the way of life.



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#11 2007-11-08 16:36:33

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

try this:

select all the text
use the channel mixer in the image/adjustments menu or use an adjustment layer.

go through the CMY channels and put the respective sliders at 0
go to the K channel and either ramp the black up past 100% until you reach 100% in the K channel or move the C M or Y sliders up until you get to 100% black.

If you have an older version of photoshop you can't go past 100% but on CS3 you can.

here's an example if you want to download it:
http://users.rcn.com/ppossenti/text.psd

not sure why they would want the blue in 3 color only but it sounds like you found a good solution


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#12 2007-11-08 16:42:18

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

PeterP..... The only person to actually answer the original question in this 12-post %@#$ fest. lol

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#13 2007-11-08 16:58:08

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

PeterP wrote:

try this:

select all the text
use the channel mixer in the image/adjustments menu or use an adjustment layer.

go through the CMY channels and put the respective sliders at 0
go to the K channel and either ramp the black up past 100% until you reach 100% in the K channel or move the C M or Y sliders up until you get to 100% black.

If you have an older version of photoshop you can't go past 100% but on CS3 you can.

here's an example if you want to download it:
http://users.rcn.com/ppossenti/text.psd

not sure why they would want the blue in 3 color only but it sounds like you found a good solution

Thanks for that... that's actually what I did straight off the bat but it looks grey - especially when you have the 4 colour black next to it on that compare box (in the colour picker)... Anyway, if that's all that I needed to do then I guess that's good for future reference glad

Thanks!



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#14 2007-11-08 17:25:32

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

That may just be how it looks on screen, unless you're using some kind of profiling it might not look totally black.  I go by the numbers!

Usually we use a "rich" black using some variation of colors like:
30c 20m 20m 100k
60c 100k
etc.

but if they want all black then give em black.  It should print black on paper.  Note I said "should".......

I do this kind of crap all day long.

Don't be shocked by the printer being a numbnut, I get that all the time.  I always try to send exactly what they need so they don't #@%* it up trying to "fix" it with the emboss filter! LOL


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#15 2007-11-08 17:39:11

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Re: Quick Photoshop help question....

excellent stuff, thanks again.

p.s. yeah it was just on screen that it looked grey - infact just within photoshop... i did a 'save as' as a jpg and the text looked perfectly black.



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