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It's Halloween, not April's Fool

In case you didn't get the dates mixed up and this isn't a clever hoax...let me make sure of one thing:

are you serious?

People like Coloeagle spend countless hours giving help and advice to members here...and for what??? Nothing- simply to help out

Our members have no stake in the site- they don’t profit by it – they simply offer their help so that when the time comes they need help themselves, others here will be willing to pitch in

Spoiler:

hint: that’s how productive communities work- people help each other out

Does Coloeagle or anyone else here owe you something?

Should he come over to your place, hold your hand, tell you everything will be okay and build your site for you?

He took his time away from his business to help you here with your review and you turn around to bash him?!?!?  Give me a second to pull the knife out of his back....

This is a FREE service where members do their best to assist each other out of their own good will

No one is forcing you to be here or to use this forums to your advantage

If you have web related issues and want our help, why not post specific questions so that we can see what your issues are

But make no mistake- we’re not here to babysit you

On the other hand if you don’t want our help...simply move on

Just let me asure you that if you ever attack another one of our members like you just did to ColoEagle,  I will make that decision for you

Thanks for your understanding

marquis20 wrote:

Why are there no mentors on this site,yet so many opinions? I have only been with this site for like 3 months and i have only been a webmaster for like 4 months and I need someone to show me the ropes,I know my site can be profitable, but I need a vetran to show me whats up with all this SEO. ColoEagle is one example.He has over 1000 post giving his opinion but opinions only go so far with me ,show me how its really done.But I guess you guys and gals are making so much $$$,you dont have time for people like me.Just felt I had to speak out for the little guys,nevermind me.

Let me answer the first question for you. Because a mentor would be someone that would teach you, or train you, personally.  That's usually paid for. If you went to a SEO expert, do you think he'll go with you through every single step, give you advice, and in a way, build that site for you, and all that for free?

Everything you receive here is free, there's nothing you paid for, nothing's been requested from you. The advice these people provide here has been given freely, and you can't expect someone to go with you through every single step. Read the opinions, take the advices (as you feel suitable) and start applying them. These people are not obligated to give that opinion nor to help people, yet they still do it, and you need to start respecting that.

Nothin's free, kiddo. The serious high rollers here are only willing to hand out a good tidbit every-once-in-a-while. If they all handed out step by step instructions for each individual, then they'd be slitting their own throat.

I NEVER get complete concrete answers for the more complex problems I face, but I'm greatful for the bread crumbs that get tossed on my plate.

When you get a few more years under your belt, you'll understand.

So, either you can calm down and accept it for what it is, or you can go get real shotty, worthless advice, from the other 15 year-olds over at Digital Point.

On a side note - I'd like to take yet another opportunity to personally thank ColoEagle for investing his personal time when I had problems with my site. The dood wouldn't accept money, but I thought I'd at least leave him a tip for his extensive, well rounded, should-be-paid-for, knowledge.

Thanks man

First off thanks guys.

Now for marqis20,

I reply not in self defense as the others have covered a lot of it already, but for others to know how things work.

Opinions are just that opinions. Everyone may not have the same one, we need to read others and then consider our personal and go with what works best.

MrStitch beat me to it, you never asked for any help. Just a review. If you don't know then you need to ask. The only stupid question is one you keep to yourself and never asked.

With Nic, you need to go back and reread the comments made on your site review.

Those that replied including myself did give you suggestions.

I gave you some examples with what was wrong with your coding and how to correct them. The choice is always yours, you can take what has been given apply it or just let it go.

Now I have received a lot of pm's and e-mails from members asking for personal help. I am sure that the other regular / active members have the same thing happening.

To be redundant, if you want help all you need to do is ask. As stated earlier, we are not mind readers, so therefore we don't know what you want.

I place this for all the new members, if you want some help ask away, here in the forums where you get more diverse help or if you really don't want it in the forum or want some personal one on one help by pm. Participation and sharing will go a long way.

ditto to all said.
This whole forum is a mentor - to the whole of the community both members and those who lurk.
There have been countless people since I joined who have had success reading and implementing what they have read - often without even being a member. An equal number who have asked specific questions and been given direct answers.

As Gyp says, there comes a time to pay, for some this is sooner than later

Well, I would just like to add... in full criticism of such a traumatically stupid post... WTF!

1: Ask and you shall... for the most part... receive, you don't ask... you don't receive... if you cant connect the dots and pull some sort of logical conclusion as to why nobody has told you what you wanted to hear out of your left thumb - perhaps you should consider a new career? Every village needs an idiot, start looking there.

2: CE and (as an added example) Dave are two people who tend to go the extra mile (quite a few others on here who do it to) to help people out with their sites and whatever marketing tactics they are in doubt about, many a time have i heard tales of people pming them and being helped out extensively off the boards... if this does not qualify as mentoring then what does? If you find that the wealth of information people on here share is not "suitable" for you to be able to perhaps attempt to figure it out from there... then i dare say... different career?

3: Perhaps with your lack of common sense and common decency when it comes to general/specific information given to you for free at the expense of people who ask nothing in return other than the minuscule possibility of you contributing something one day... urm... where was i?.. oh yeah, perhaps someone with your apparent characteristics should not be making big bucks... chances are you will just hire poor saps to work beneath you who will end up regretting the time they spend with you simply because of how useless you will make them feel. The last thing the world needs is another politician.

4: Im not a mentor, but for you i will make an exception... go outside and find a large blunt stick.... if you have a club that will work to, stand in front of a mirror and.. start slowly now... beat yourself incessantly with it until you reach the point where you can honestly say.. "Gosh, maybe that was a really inconsiderate and poorly thought out thing to say" at which point you can go back to your pc, come here and click "delete" right below your original post.

I hope this spreads some effective understanding about how grateful we all should be when getting so much for free. It almost feels like donating a lifetime of food supplies to an Ethiopian only to have him steal your wallet because it wasn't the food he wanted even though he didn't ask for any bladdy specifics...

Well thanks Matt...you know how to make me feel unwanted and certainly misunderstood.

foregoing the demands for help, lets look at this problem

marquis20 wrote:

I have only been with this site for like 3 months and i have only been a webmaster for like 4 months and I need someone to show me the ropes

So you've been here 3 months and learnt nothing?

After 4 months you're crying for help?

With attitudes like this - you're going to fail

There's a reason I'm not a pop star - I can't sing, write or play music; so I stick to what I'm good at and attempt to make advances in those fields.

I suggest you go back to your day job and pick this web thing up as a hobby.

As far as opnions, facts and SEO goes - there are no known facts; only opinions and theories based upon the results we see. The search algorithms change almost daily. For the best advice see jerry west at webmarketingnow.com

Northie wrote:

For the best advice see jerry west at webmarketingnow.com

Whaaa??? Your kidding right?

Last edited by TheGypsy (2007-11-01 08:24:47)

Ye know... this guy isnt very chatty all of a sudden? kinda takes the thrill of telling him to get stuffed outa the thread oh well.