Hello everyone!

I started to write an article with the above name; but it looks like it might be turning into an ebook or tutorial.

So, I thought I'd ask here what people would like to see in such a document?

It'll be focusing on a lean javascript library that I have come to love to make things really simple and  also want to concentrate of how to enhance a site without loosing accessibilty, etc.

Hopefully it will touch on

user generated content
server side applications
ajax et al

If you'd like to see simple examples - say what you'd like to see examples of.
If you'd like to see a how-to then please ask away
If you think of something you think would be useful then mention it

I'm guessing that by doing this it will also help my learning curve as I research, try and test everything - almost like a "challenge Northie", but not quite.

ebook! ebook! ebook! ........... then you can be financially independant like me!! bwaaaaaaaa hah ah ah a.. he he... erm.. uh... waaaahhhhhh :0(

Books are easy to start... a bugger to finish....

TheGypsy wrote:

Books are easy to start... a bugger to finish....

Yep; gotta agree there!

TheGypsy wrote:

Books are easy to start... a bugger to finish....

which made me ask... what happened to the SEO E-book of TheGypsy? Any 2nd, 3rd, 4th... edition?

@Northie... that would be a great help to those who would like to know and practice Web 2.0 

But there's more about 2.0 than just about user generated content and some javascript libraries. 

Tim O'Reilly states that web 2.0 is comprised of 7 principles:

1) The web as a platform
2) Harnessing collective intelligence
3) Data is the next Intel inside
4) End of the software release cycle
5) Lightweight programming models
6) Software above the level of a single device
7 Rich user experiences

Here's a few other items you might want to cover in the article ebook or whatever:

tags - folksonomy - long tail - standards - multilingualism - javascript disabled - mash-ups - convergence - identity

So much to cover and that's the tip of the iceberg......

soulripper wrote:

TheGypsy wrote:

Books are easy to start... a bugger to finish....

which made me ask... what happened to the SEO E-book of TheGypsy? Any 2nd, 3rd, 4th... edition?
:

OFF TOPIC (Sorry there Chris) - I am going to be adding some more goodies for the 2008 edition and further to that work on some other handbooks such as; Keyword Research and Targeting - Linkbuilding and so on.... In truth, I wasn't doing much on it since it was a new domain... I am up to page 3 for 'Learn SEO' now and so with some work I hope to catch onto page one and chase ol Aaron ( SEO Book) ..... next year will be more active for it ....

mobtex wrote:

Here's a few other items you might want to cover in the article ebook or whatever:

tags - folksonomy - long tail - standards - multilingualism - javascript disabled - mash-ups - convergence - identity

So much to cover and that's the tip of the iceberg......

This is a 'for beginners' book and will be more like a quick start guide. I expect there will be at least two distinct parts

what is web 20?, covering definitions, concepts, first principles, etc
Hot to web 2, quick start guide

The list quoted above, i feel, is more a list of web20 examples.

I will have to remain impartial, though, as I hate all these made up words like folksonomy [yes it's a well  known word in some communities, but it's not yet definitive]

Why don't you ask us all to help you write it?
After all writing something yourself is sooo Web 1.0
:)

TJ Taylor wrote:

Why don't you ask us all to help you write it?
After all writing something yourself is sooo Web 1.0

Not a bad idea, but something I'm not very comfortable about - besides, IMO, collaborative works (which have been around for centuries) have been increased as a by-product of web 20; and are not a defining feature.

I expect there will be an alpha release for comments/suggestions etc before anything goes on sale

Web 2.schmo

North, if you are doing some writing on W 2.0 there are some resourses over at IBM that may be worth reading

Northie wrote:

If you'd like to see simple examples - say what you'd like to see examples of.
If you'd like to see a how-to then please ask away
If you think of something you think would be useful then mention it

I'm guessing that by doing this it will also help my learning curve as I research, try and test everything - almost like a "challenge Northie", but not quite.

Great idea Northie,

Personally I would like to see example comparisons. I think this would help people to understand what web 2.0 has over web 1.0(? does that make sense?)

Northie wrote:

mobtex wrote:

Here's a few other items you might want to cover in the article ebook or whatever:

tags - folksonomy - long tail - standards - multilingualism - javascript disabled - mash-ups - convergence - identity

So much to cover and that's the tip of the iceberg......

This is a 'for beginners' book and will be more like a quick start guide. I expect there will be at least two distinct parts

what is web 20?, covering definitions, concepts, first principles, etc
How to web 2, quick start guide

The list quoted above, i feel, is more a list of web20 examples.

I will have to remain impartial, though, as I hate all these made up words like folksonomy [yes it's a well  known word in some communities, but it's not yet definitive]

Northie, as a novice, who is probably doing some Web 2.0, I'm not so sure Mob's list is too advance. Then again, it might be?!

Of course, I'd love a solid definition, but, then again, I think I've seen some and still am not catching on to all it entails. I'm at the same level with Web 2.0 as I am with CSS -- ok, might be English, but you can't prove it by me!

On the other hand, I'm seeing some ideas exchanged between you and Mob that might drive me further into my confusion! Standards? Principles? Isn't Web 2.0ing just where Internet users are taking hold of the Net and using it more interactively, with videos, networking sites, and such, making it our own, verses keeping it back in the days of science use only, or mostly ads? (I do see where it will quickly get into the business end, of course!) Seems to me that putting standards and principles on a free flowing form of communication is like making up rules for how planes must be back in the days of WWI! Ya think we'd have even 707's if everyone was put into the constraints of how to make planes? Of course, knowing so little, I might be taking those concepts in the wrong context for their varied definitions.

I think I'm seeing standards for UTube, and dang if I know what the heck they are! The only reason we have anything on UTube is because the two videos we've shot with the new camera were so poorly made (and editing through Microsoft applications aren't properly formatted for UTube, so was merely a waste of time) they were funny! Apparently, at least, two others have found something about them worthy for UTube (Google) to contact me about with an automated message, but, even after e-mailing them back a month ago, I still have no idea how to find out what happened. Doesn't just this paragraph give you some idea on how lost I am with Web 2.0, as well as, ideas on how to teach those of us so lost, we can't even think of the questions we want answered?

With that, I'm not so sure exampling is a bad idea. I've read Wiki on "folkonomy" and understood it about as much as I've understood the technical aspects of Google's algorithym -- I know how to SEO (finally! ), but the actually theories behind it is past my mental capacity anymore. (I used to have a mind that could comprehend better, but fortunately, for you, my mind has only gone down hill because of health problems, not age! Translated into: "Don't worry, brain power doesn't dwindle during middle-age!" )

I really wish I could tell you everything I'd like to know on the subject, but I don't know enough about it to have questions to ask. I can tell you that I have no idea what the big deal is with MySpace, nor anything about Facebook, past one thread in here. I see no purpose in needing to sign up for MySpace to leave messages on friends' pages, so I haven't. (I keep hoping you can find what to write about from the little glimpses of how lost I am. )

I understand, since it is for beginners, you want to write it as simply as possible, but I have no idea how far you need to go to give enough info for us to understand it. I have finally come to understand that learning basic HTML sure hasn't helped me figure out how to upload a web page. I suspect it's not supposed to, and yet, the purpose of learning HTML, ultimately, is to upload a web SITE, and then update it occasionally! Seems to me that applies somehow to learning all that is needed to know to use 2.0 in its most basic form.

I guess I'm "simply" suggesting that, when trying to explain it to beginners (and good luck cutting this down to a mere e-book, even ) we need to know what it is, what it looks like, how many forms does it take on, how to participate in other's platforms, and how to use it ourselves completely! Sounds like a book to me, not even merely an e-book!

Hope this helped, since I know I'm the type of audience you want reading your encyclopedia! (It just seems to be growing bigger and bigger.) Good luck!

THIS IS NOT A "WHAT IS WEB 2 BOOK"!!!!!

Nah,

I'm not going to bother with blogs or user generated content - go download wordpress or something!

This is going to be a more of an example and how-to guide for enhancing your own site as beginners don't really give a sh*t about how stuff works or what it is - they just want it.

If you want a definition you can go to a dictionary, if you want to study how different software on different devices works - go study.....This is going to be a quick start guide that many are going to find useful - even if they don't reside on SR!

Oh! Are MySpace and Facebook merely blogging communities? I didn't know that -- thought it was much more then that, actually thought they were clear examples of what Web 2 was...man, now more confused then ever. Took me a few minutes to figure out that I even spoke of blogging, so I hope I got the right references! Argh! Good luck! I hope it comes out enough that I can finally figure out what it's all about!

MySpace and FaceBook are communities, not blogs.

Blogs and Communities are an example of Web 2.0 and are the answer to the question "What is an example of a web 2 site?"

I'm trying to write a "How do I enhance my site with web 2?"