Website for Review
http://www.seoworkers.com

Additional Comments
Dear co-members,

We would appreciate if you would provide us with a review.

Hey Webnauts,

first i want to welcome you to SR...read a few of your posts already and there's some great info in there!

Great to have you here

I have a question about your site for you...

to me SEO services appeal to 2 kinds of audiences:

1) people who do not know enough to do it themselves
2) people who are too busy to do it themselves

I am taking a wild guess but would say most of your customers will be the 1) - is that correct?

If you can expend a little bit on who uses your services and who you are targeting it will help me review your site from "their" perspective

Nic wrote:

I am taking a wild guess but would say most of your customers will be the 1) - is that correct?

Correct Nic!

Well with that said…and please take this as my personal opinion based on 0 (zero) actual research within your biz model: your site may not be very appealing to that market…

I’m not in the SEO game in any way but I hear the same thing constantly from that target market…

“I want my site #1 (or on the first page) in Google”

From my limited experience that’s all these people really care about…they don’t care to learn about SEO or what they should really be targeting…they just want to see their site #1 the next day.

With that said I would do 1 of 2 things:

1) I hate to say this (trust me I really do) but you need marketing messages that are attractive to that target audience “We’ll make your to #1 in 60 days!” for example. Show me sample of sites you had success with and tell me “we got this site on the first page of Google in 3 weeks for a keyword with 2 million results”. Like, I said, personally I don’t agree with this model but if that’s the only thing most people care about then you have to appeal to them.

2) Do a complete 180 degree turn on the above. Tell people they should not trust sites that make such claims because they are “unrealistic and just out to take advantage of your limited knowledge” for example. Then make yourself look like an authority and show them how “real SEO’” is done and what they could reasonably expect from an expert such as yourself.

When people do not know about something (and especially when they don’t care to learn about) your best bet is to play on their emotions (if the knowledge isn’t there, its hard to reason- so emotion is key). So either play up to what they really want, the #1 result guarantee or play against fear “if you chose the others guys your wasting your time and money”. If your service is good, in the end that will speak for itself and your customers will be happy.

thats how i would tackle it...but again 2c

Business is already very good, and my clients so far are honestly very happy, What I am missing is a portfolio which we had no time to setup yet, but will do very soon.

About giving promises like you will rank #1in 60 days and so, is not an ethical SEO business model.

And that because there are endless of  people that make SEO look evil. It's unfortunate that it's so easy for anyone to be a SEO shop.

By the way did you read this yet? http://www.seoworkers.com/ethical-practices.html

If not, please take a minute and read it.

Thanks for the review, and I hope we can continue this discussion.

Webnauts wrote:

About giving promises like you will rank #1in 60 days and so, is not an ethical SEO business model.

Thank God -- we finally have an SEO who is honest and speaks the truth instead of sending out so much BS!!!

like i said...

i don't like it either

therefore I  would make your ethics more prominant- add some if to your front page...tell me something like

"don't believe those guarentee you see on other SEO sites..."

something like that would get my attention pretty quickly and would make me read on why...

good to hear business is booming

TA wrote:

Webnauts wrote:

About giving promises like you will rank #1in 60 days and so, is not an ethical SEO business model.

Thank God -- we finally have an SEO who is honest and speaks the truth instead of sending out so much BS!!!

Thanks for the kind words TA. I only hear such kind words from my clients. But now it looks like the winds change after all.

Nic wrote:

I would make your ethics more prominant- add dome if to your front page...tell me something like

"don't belive those guarentee you see on other SEO sites..."
something like that would get my attention pretty quickly and would make me read on why...

Hey GREAT IDEA Nic!!!! Thanks for the great tip!!!

I will implement that within the next 24 hours!

Site Reference Forums Rule!

Webnauts wrote:

Thanks for the kind words TA. I only hear such kind words from my clients. But now it looks like the winds change after all.

You're welcome -- I'm a NICE GUY -- ask anybody here...LMAO... ... now; give me sort sort of "vote"...

I bought you both a beer and a coffee. Would you please have a look again? I made some changes. Any new suggestions?

Hi Webnauts

-site looks nice

- but  the first thing I read - I have no idea what that means ( as follows)

"SEO Workers are a group of experts in Accessible and Usable Web Site Development, Search Engine, Multimedia, Social Media, and End Searcher Optimization with over 10 years of collective experience, industry knowledge and innovative ideas."

So from reading the other guys posts I think you are offering a service to increase page ranking.
So here are comments from a potential client with limited technical knowledge

State simply your purpose eg Maximize your Google Page Ranking

Of course once I read that the warning lights flash so you defintily need to also

- show who you have done this for before -proofpoints. (-Consider doing some free trials perhaps if you have no proof points.)

- talk a  lot about ethics ( as others mention) .

- Even then the ethics comments can also set off warning lights  because it starts to sound like :
- we are honest, many other are not, but trust us becasue  we are :-)

To get around this, until you can really establish credibiltiy you might consdier empahzizing more the "who we are" stuff, with photos, photos of your office etc. Make that a bigger link  perhaps on the front page becasue if I am doubtful or just find you in a random search I might not make the effort to find that link on your site .


Finally you might consider two sites , one for the pros ( like the one today) and one for the amateurs?

hope this helps
Thanks
Ron

Webnauts wrote:

Website for Review
http://www.seoworkers.com

Additional Comments
Dear co-members,

We would appreciate if you would provide us with a review.

Of all the seo sites I have visited I would have to agree with TA and Nic. IMHO you have a top notch site there. I spent some time on the site as well as in the forum.

Before posting my comments I wanted to wait and see if you were sincere in your comments about making the changes suggested by Nic. You did and that was a big plus in my book regarding your integrity.

I generally take seo sites with a grain of salt as you can usually find one "expert" that will be saying just the opposite of another "expert". I've added it to my bookmarks and have even made some notes of pages that I want to spend more time on.

Here I am again.

We did some frontend and backend tweaks.

Therefore, I would appreciate if you would like to have another look.

Thank you all for the constructive reviews so far!

Hey Webnauts,

just had a super quick look (gotta head out) but was wondering why you guys don't get a USA phone number for customers on that side of the pond?

With VOIP being so cheap these days it could be very worth it...even something like Skype IN (and OUT)

Nice job on the front page and ethics..will have a closer look soon!

Nic wrote:

Hey Webnauts,

just had a super quick look (gotta head out) but was wondering why you guys don't get a USA phone number for customers on that side of the pond?

With VOIP being so cheap these days it could be very worth it...even something like Skype IN (and OUT)

Nice job on the front page and ethics..will have a closer look soon!

Thanks Nic for the review and cool ideas.

We looked at Skype for an IN (and OUT) account, but they mentioned on their site that they still have some problems with Germany.

We are still tweaking a lot of stuff, so if you or someone else would like to have a look again it would be very great.

For example we made all external links opening in new windows with accessible javascript, we add some new Apache rules in our .htaccess file, we optimized content, and much more.

Ok struck by a few things since I looked last week,

- accessiblity - this is the first time I have seen the emphais on this and I think you are to be commended for including this page. It also lends a very strong air of credibility,. Most SEO sites reek of " we want your money and we want it now" , you certainly are coming across as serious and credible.

- Tools- very nice touch - extremely impreesed with the free tools. We at the ACPA :-)are still novices in these concepts especially as our web design was OSWD.ORG but the site analysis was most interesting and comprehensive and we will be digging in to see what we can do and learn. Overall though putting some free tools like this will bring visitors back, I will book mark the site to revist that tool.

I see the accessbile test tools are not active links I assume that will change

When :-) our traffic gets to the point of needing SEO , we will give you a call.
regards
Ron Pecorry

Ron thanks again for the kind review.

Ron Pecorry wrote:

I see the accessbile test tools are not active links I assume that will change

Which are not active? I do not understand you here.

Ron Pecorry wrote:

When :-) our traffic gets to the point of needing SEO , we will give you a call.

You better do that sooner Ron. Search engines and competition are not sleeping. Just a tip.

Tools page

Markup (Code) & Accessiblity Validators.

Invalid markup (code) in your (X)HTML, or CSS can create difficulties for your users, and for the search engines. Use this group of tools to check the validity of your code, as well as its accessibility.
.........
Looks like I misunderstood. The heading SEO ANALYSIS tool and the heading Spellcheck tool lead me to tools .

I was then expecting that the words
XHTML and CSS
in that section to lead me to tools ,and I tried to click them.  instead I get a question mark and assumed it was a dead link. However now I am assuming that the highlighting on those words just means the abbreviation is defined when you mouse over the letters. And I looked again and see that I can get to the tool by clicking on the header "Markup (Code) & Accessiblity Validators. " Its perhaps interesting to observe my consumer behavior as I stopped browsing the first time at that point.

regards
Ron

Ron Pecorry wrote:

I see the accessbile test tools are not active links I assume that will change

Which are not active? I do not understand you here.