WOW – what can I say? I think Nic (and editors) are slipping. This one is the lead off article

The Forgotten Fundamentals of SEO  http://www.site-reference.com/articles/ … f-SEO.html

I am not even sure if English is there first language – he he.

Some interesting points ( ya gotta read the thing though)

So what should your goal be when you are delving into SEO for your website? Well, everyone’s goal is exactly the same; improve page rankings, improve page visits and hits and finally gain more sales through the website.

uhhh… I thought the main goal was achieving increased (targeted) traffic levels via organic search results? As for improving ‘page visits and hits’ – whaaaaattt? Who the hell tracks ‘hits’ for anything?

Domain Names – here we touch on the mighty ‘Google Sandbox’ which we all know is
Bad SEO

Location specific domain or international domain ( .com or com.au)? Personally I think dot com’s are better, mainly because they appeal Internationally but if you want to you can keep it location specific and to your region then consider purchasing all similar higher level domains, yourdomain.com and yourdomain.com.au, if you can.

ACTUALLY this is very important for Geo-targeting issues related to SEO. They also nearly imply a duplicate content scheme… needs more clarity


Choosing a Host - $%&#@#$ the fricken reliability and speed of your hosting affects conversions NOT your rankings. If the page doesn’t actually render? Sure… but then you have other issues don’t ya?


Traffic Considerations – I have no idea what they are on about.. it isn’t SEO though

Site Design – I ain’t sure where they are going.. but unlikely anything to do with SEO

Page Layout – they need to bone up on ‘Page Segmentation’ and as for

Position your move relevant keywords to the left of the page and near the top.

BWAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Good HTML Codiing – BWAAA HA HA HAH A HA HA

Image Sizes – uh huh… some important SEO tips there…..

At that point it rambles off onto usability issues that are more related (for what they’re worth) to conversions than SEO

In short my fine peeps – a complete HACK of a job for an article about ‘ The Fundamentals of SEO ‘

NOTE TO EDITORS – you may want to have some one of knowledge and ability READ the articles that aer leading off the Newsletter and Front Page. It's all just 'Dave baiting' from where I am sitting -- he he--

I couldn’t tell at times if they were drunk when they wrote it or English was a second language. Sure, I can go on when I write due to my ‘rantability’ issues – but it is hurried even for me.

As for the quality of the information ? Absymal …shudddddeerrrr

He he

TheGypsy wrote:

Page Layout – they need to bone up on ‘Page Segmentation’ and as for

Position your move relevant keywords to the left of the page and near the top.

Lets expand that a little further

According to research the Googlebot trawls web pages from left to right and top to bottom. So given this little tidbit of information it is clear that you should be putting our most valuable keywords and information on the left and near the top. Of course this is a blanket statement and does not take into account design principles and beautification. Just keep it in mind during design of page layout. Position your move relevant keywords to the left of the page and near the top.

Left to right, top to bottom. Wondered if he ever looked at his source code and figured that the browser also rendered it left to right, top to bottom.

What happened to source oredring? CSS or just re-writing the DOM with JS?????

Don't get me wrong - I fully agress with placing your more important content towards the top of your source code, but it doesn't have to render that way.......

Good HTML Coding:

A lot of HTML generator programs out there bloat HTML to the point it is 3-4 times larger than what it would be if you hand coded it. Keep it simple, use a text editor, edit your HTML the old school way; until there is a HTML generator tool worthy of use. If you can’t code HTML then do a search on the Internet and find a decent, free, e-book and learn how to do it.

Seem to remember that now the SEs can index most file types on the web that valid html wasn't a problem, as long as there was content to index (and linked to), it would be indexed


........ug, I'm bored now............

And a happy Monday morning to you my friend

Lets see…

‘bout the grammar aspect- for that I do apologize- I usually do my best to clean everything up but having  been feeling less then 100% these days I struggled somewhat. That is my mistake and I do take responsibility for it.

The article itself- to me the real point the author was making, which  obviously was not presented as elegantly as Mark Daoust’s “Why SEO’s Need To Shut Up” article, is that good SEO simply starts with a good site.  Yes, I agree with you- it does get off the SEO track when it starts talking about browsers and screen sizes and so on- but the underlining point is still a valuable one- building a quality site for the human visitor is that important first step in SEO. 

I’ve added a link to this discussion at the end of the article suggestion people turn here for more info.

We see it time and time again where people are so preoccupied about the most random (and usually non-important) aspects of SEO. So if you’ve finished reading the article and you find yourself here I hope you walk away with this:

Don’t worry tirelessly about things such as keyword density or Page Rank, but instead focus on:

1) building a quality site for you human visitors (which is what our author is suggesting)
2) getting links to this site

To me those are the fundamentals of SEO and if you can focus your energy on those 2 things the results will come over time

TheGypsy wrote:

It's all just 'Dave baiting' from where I am sitting -- he he--

I love it when a plan comes together; keeps ya coming back, so that we don't miss you as often.

Aaww... come on Nic... it is BARELY even about SEO - never mind the 'Fundamentals' of SEO... building a quality site is the first step in SUCCESS ON THE INTERNET ..... it is not the first step towards SEO.... building a site is NOT part of SEO once again... and you can still do fine at SEO without a  'quality site for the human visitor'  -- Ever heard of Black Hat/ Spmmers and Made For AdSense? Puuullleaaazzee..... it has NADA to do with SEO.

Why do folks try to lump sooooo many things into SEO? Strangely much of it is usability issues that come in more under the heading of 'Conversions' issues rather that SEO

So let's rename the article to suomthing like - 'The Fundamentals of Web Success' or maybe 'The Fundamentals of Web Site Development' ... (catchy huh? he he) ...... because - once again - there is VERY little to do with the fundamentals of SEO in that piece.....

yeeeeshhh....

I like the question why many experts are putting so many things into SEO?
Maybe because they believe in this theory and the SEO is all about theory.

quality webdesign contains the usuage of new webstandards, quality content and good usuability, linkbuilding, choosing the right domains can help, and maybe the server-location for geo-targeting.

TheGypsy wrote:

So let's rename the article to suomthing like - 'The Fundamentals of Web Success' or maybe 'The Fundamentals of Web Site Development'.

aknet47 wrote:

I like the question why many experts are putting so many things into SEO?
Maybe because they believe in this theory and the SEO is all about theory.

quality webdesign contains the usuage of new webstandards, quality content and good usuability, linkbuilding, choosing the right domains can help, and maybe the server-location for geo-targeting.

hmmmm... this sounds like a 'rantable' topic here....  I should write something.... hmmmmm

Most folks that are so-called SEO Experts these days seem to be lumping everything related to internet marketing into the pile and even some conversions stuff as well.... Then you will find them talking about SMM (social Media Marketing) to boot.... SEO is simply the research, on-page and link building and rank tracking activities...  the rest is really more along the lines of other areas of Internet Marketing

aknet47 wrote:

I like the question why many experts are putting so many things into SEO?
Maybe because they believe in this theory and the SEO is all about theory.

quality webdesign contains the usuage of new webstandards, quality content and good usuability, linkbuilding, choosing the right domains can help, and maybe the server-location for geo-targeting.

Wow...not sure if I want to throw my hat in the ring here...sounds like its been a rough go of things lately here (I've been busy trying to get too many projects going).

Just one comment - new web standards?  No no no, there were web standards before, its just that people didn't follow them.

As webmasters become more knowledgeable in developing websites, web standards will be something they hopefully will jump on to.  Not because it helps in SEO (it really doesn't unless you have a site so poorly coded that you confuse the poor spider), and not because its going to save the average joe that much traffic.  But rather because a well-coded website is a well-organized and tidy website.

As far as the article is concerned, the 3 years I did the editing here at SR, I  know I let a fair share of articles through that I shouldn't have.  It happens - its good to comment on them, point out the errors, but then move on.  I have no doubt Nic will be mindful of this.

BTW Nic, I will be writing more articles, but first I have to finish putting together an eBook (yuck, I hate the term ebook) on article marketing.  Evidently I'm speaking at a seminar next month on this very topic and word got out that I was going to put together a book.  Looks like I'm committed (or maybe I should just be committed, eh?)

mark wrote:

BTW Nic, I will be writing more articles, but first I have to finish putting together an eBook (yuck, I hate the term ebook) on article marketing.  Evidently I'm speaking at a seminar next month on this very topic and word got out that I was going to put together a book.  Looks like I'm committed (or maybe I should just be committed, eh?)

Looking forward to it Mark -- then too, I always felt you should be committed ... ... j/k ...