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I think from a health perspective, facebook is much better than myspace because it doesn't contain so many ugly webpages that are sure to burn our retinas out...

but from a marketing perspective, I'm really not sure...you can't view any of the pages or groups without being logged in, and yet somehow Google must still be indexing them because a lot of the group  pages have TBPR7.  Not sure how that works.

They are all crap and shall forever be plagued with SPAMMERs. That is a fact of life as it is with most so-called SMM (Social Media Marketing) sites. It is in NO WAY the golden goose SEO/SMM folks have made them out to be.  Spend some time in the world of Black Hat and ye shall see how hard these guys are hitting them now ( some folks have scripts to automate account creation - and have 100's of MySPace and other SMM accounts)

I wouldn't be suprised if my M8's at Google aren't devaluing links from SMM type sites... now.. or in the future. It is a well known problem.  Anyone remember when Wikipedia ruled the SERPs and a IBL from there was gold? Not anymore huh? I see the same thing happening with SMM sites for SEO purposes.

As I have rambled on before, I think SMM stuff is for a limited market segment and isn't a viable route for many sites....

Well to give you the idea folks - the folks over at the Black Hat forum Syndk8 have an entire set of boards on 'How to Spam Social media sites' ---

It's just a matter of time for all of them unfortunately.

Do you really think MySpace is going to go hard when the spammers creating 100's of accounts each (automated these days for spammers) means they can tell advertisers we have ' 2 Million Users' ??? Of course not. It's part of how they make their $$$ - even if 1000's on 1000's of these accounts are bot registered accounts for spammers.

This is the cynical thinking that creates SPAMMERs.. the big boys often don't care and turn a blind eye.....

Nothing but a wrist slap for folks playing in Black HAt such as BMW , ePinions and Shopping.com - You or I did it... 6-12 months... he he

So as long as Facebook or whomever can sell the site for an extra $$$ (or million) for having such large userbases.. busting out hte baddies and spammer may not be priority one...

Last edited by TheGypsy (2007-06-18 12:45:56)

TA wrote:

Personally, I don't look at any "MySpace" sites -- I agree with you; it's become a haven of crap ... don't know what this "facebook" is and I could care less; especially if it's a spin-off from MySpace.

I, too, dislike MySpace very much.  In fact, I spend very little time on social networking sites at all.  I never seem to have enough time to put much effort into spending time on them, updating my profile, etc.  However, you CANNOT compare Facebook to MySpace.  It probably seems like just another social networking site to anyone who's been out of undergraduate or graduate school for a while, for now.

A lot of my peers (more like all of them) are completely immersed in Facebook.  They spend every other second of their lives on facebook.  Facebook popularity in the college environment exceeds that of myspace exponentially.  I myself have found myself spending a lot of time clicking around my friend's profiles, viewing pictures, writing comments on their walls.  I find myself trying to avoid the site because it's so addicting.   I will tell you that if you aren't investing your time taking advantage of facebook, you're missing the chance of a lifetime.  Now is probably the right time to jump in.  It has grown virally, and from the looks of it, it will continue to grow for a very long time.  I thought it would limit itself to US colleges, but it has caught on in the younger and older age groups, and even abroad.

So if you're thinking of marketing, now is the best time to hit it before others do.  If you are, drop me a line, I'm interested in ideas too!

brian

They are all fads and spam nests.

matte wrote:

I wonder if facebook is a spam nest - it's inaccessible unless you join and from my understanding, you can only see people within your own group, or not until someone accepts you...

That's right

I have accounts on both myspace & facebook, & I don't think they are in the same league.  There seems to be a lot more 'real people' on facebook, in fact I havent come across any spammers yet. Myspace on the other hand...I get about 20 friend requests a day & I'd say most of them aren't human.

What's nice about facebook as well is that you can't customise the look of your profile too much.  If I'd never seen myspace, I'd think it was a great idea to allow customisation...but damn!  Have you guys seen some of the shocking pages on myspace...not to mention that you have to listen to auto played cr@p music on most of the profiles.

Ok but since this is a marketing conversation - How does Face Book benefit the website owner really? I suppose that's the question

We know businesses use MySPace, Utube, Digg, Squido and others as part of an online promotion package...  what does FaceBook offer?

I can't see a lot of uses for it as far as marketing goes.. so it may just survive Spammers.... but in the end - is it of ANY use as far as marketing is concerned?

We are interested in i't value as far as a 'Marketing Tool'

TheGypsy wrote:

Ok but since this is a

marketing conversation

- How does Face Book benefit the website owner really? I suppose that's the question

We know businesses use MySPace, Utube, Digg, Squido and others as part of an online promotion package...  what does FaceBook offer?

I can't see a lot of uses for it as far as marketing goes.. so it may just survive Spammers.... but in the end - is it of ANY use as far as marketing is concerned?

We are interested in i't value as far as a 'Marketing Tool'

That’s everything in a nutshell, does the time and effort convert to $$$ We periodically test the waters and its our observation that thought you will see traffic spikes from Digg, stumbleupon, etc the traffic does not convert and fades away as fast as it came. If there is no apparent long term benefit or if it does not attribute to increased conversion percentages it’s really best to move on. Spending to much time on unproductive endeavors is money lost.

good to be hearing some real life experiences - thanks Roxane