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I realise I am probably just opening myself up for a load of hysterical laughter by many of you experts but I am puzzled. I have long wondered how you guys could say what pages were indexed etc ... but then I saw an push for
http://www.protrackr.com/track/ so I tried it and I get some weird results on all three of my sites ... however I will restrict myself to one question.
If I use trackr on one of these sites I get this information sent back to me:
Title: Great Britain Commonwealth Africa Europe United States Thematics Stamp Accessories Gift Certificates stamps, collecting, machins, commonwealth, great britain, souvenir sheets, booklets, cylinder blocks, online shopping
Description: Stamp-Collector.co.uk : - Great Britain Commonwealth Africa Europe United States Thematics Stamp Accessories Gift Certificates stamps, collecting, machins, commonwealth, great britain, souvenir sheets, booklets, cylinder blocks, online shopping
Keywords: The Zen Cart™ Team and others
So I'm thinking straight away - majot problem - duplication being just one - who would want a tiltle like that for example .... so I go to the site - view source and I get:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" dir="ltr" lang="en">
<head>
<title>Stamp-Collector.co.uk, the stamp collecting resource for people who are serious about philately</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<meta name="keywords" content="Great Britain Commonwealth Africa Europe United States Thematics Stamp Accessories Gift Certificates stamps, collecting, machins, commonwealth, great britain, souvenir sheets, booklets, cylinder blocks, online shopping " />
<meta name="description" content="Stamp-Collector.co.uk : - Great Britain Commonwealth Africa Europe United States Thematics Stamp Accessories Gift Certificates stamps, collecting, machins, commonwealth, great britain, souvenir sheets, booklets, cylinder blocks, online shopping" />
<meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="no" />
<meta name="authors" content="The Zen Cart™ Team and others" />
<meta name="generator" content="shopping cart program by Zen Cart™, http://www.zen-cart.com" />
<link rel="icon" href="favicon.ico" type="image/x-icon" />
<link rel="shortcut icon" href="favicon.ico" type="image/x-icon" />
<base href="http://stamp-collector.co.uk/" />
which is completely different and if not totally what I want - is at least nearer to it...
So my question:
Which of these is Google seeing and if the former (trackr) what can I do about it?
PS - all bolded and itialicised text is mine.
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If you want to find out what pages are indexed, try this in the search engines: site:www.darthstamp.com
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While I wait for that link to open I'll tell you this
Google sees whatever you want it to see
Unless you are cloaking or using geo-targeting Google will be seeing what you see when you do your 'view source'
that protracker thing doesn't look very good
finding out what pages are indexed by a search engine is easy - just ask it, with the right query
Google: site:forums.site-reference.com
MSN: site:forums.site-reference.com
Yahoo: site:forums.site-reference.com
Guessed how to ask yet?
use the site: operator
Your server-based webstats will also tell you which pages people are finding and what search terms were used to find your site
That meta name 'author' and 'generator' - You can just delete those lines as they won't amount to a hill of beans in any search engine. Just more code clogging up the system.
Aside from that, little weight is placed on those meta tags anyways. They are there for reference, and are in fact needed (some of 'em), but your rankings will be determined more on your on-page content and your linking profile.
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If you look at what your tracker programme sent back, and what your view source shows, you'll see that the tracker thingy is out of synch with the tags
The tracker thging thinks your keywords are your title, hat your description is your keywords and that the keywords is your author!!!!!
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Thanks Northie / Steven
I will try those links out ...
by the way Northie
Unless you are cloaking or using geo-targeting Google will be seeing what you see when you do your 'view source'
if I had a clue what you are talking about here I could tell you if I am doing it .... so I guess you can tell I am neither "cloaking" nor the other one ... sounds fun tho.
Who knows - maybe if I read enough of the topics on this forum I may find out how to do so one day. ..
Umm .. just seen your last comment - I guess trakr ain't as clever as it thinks it is.
Thanks again
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Thanks Stitch - I will clean those up ... I am not savvy enough to know what to delete and what to leave alone without advice such as this ... I think I need to clean up the description as well as it is just a duplicate of the keyword ... not sure how that happened - probably a copy/paste glitch on my part.
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OK I listed all my sites using the operator: site.
I see that multiple pages are listed on all three egines and even Lycos as well .. can you also advise how I can reliably track other information that ...trackr purports to report on such as "number of links"?
Number of incoming links?
Yahoo
Just type in link:www.domain.com
It'll tell you how many links you have coming in. But I would worry more about quality than quantity. Getting links from on-topic sites is the way to go.... also much tougher to achieve.
Just link link link, eventually you'll make it there. 
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Stitch,
Found some incoming (back??) links I didn't even know I had ... however most of them seem to be internal - i.e. in -site links .. whereas there are links I know I have that aren't listed - I assume this is because Yahoo doesn't know of the sites involved.
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This talk of links reminds me of a question I have been meaning to ask ...
I am thinking of setting up a forum as part of my stamp site - it will be related to the speciality of the site and I know there is an audience for it - my question as regards links is:
Because the forum will be part of the site and hopefully most of the content will be site-content relevant - will all questions/responses to the forum be included as "links" - basically from an SEO standpoint (as against sales) would a forum be a good thing to have in-site or would I be better off creating it as a stand-alone item on a new domain.
Generally are forums good "link-bait" (I hope I am using this term correctly)?
Forum for stamp collecting?
Seems like a tough go, but if you know your field enough, I suppose it could work. I highly doubt it'll generate the link bait you're looking for tho.
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JFYI - There are 47 million known stamp collectors in the world (that 's a population the size of England) - what would you do for even a percentage of that traffic - that's without all those that hide behind other hobbies such as "militaria" or other themes. and eBay stamp section has the largest listing after eBay motors (apparantly - I read this somewhere - even if it is an exaggeration it is still a HUGE part of eBay). Lastly - it is the fastest growing hobby in China now they can actually reach the outside world.
Of course I am only talking about a forum that would touch 1% of these as it is a specialised form of stamp collecting I am talking about.
While I understand it is not a hobby for all - part of the reason that it is growing in popularity is that it is a sedantary hobby (even more so if transactions are internet based) therefore many disabled and retired people are able to get great enjoyment from it (and feel a part of the community).
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DarthStamp wrote:
Stitch,
Found some incoming (back??) links I didn't even know I had ... however most of them seem to be internal - i.e. in -site links .. whereas there are links I know I have that aren't listed - I assume this is because Yahoo doesn't know of the sites involved.
backlink checking on Yahoo
linkdomain:darthstamp.com -site:darthstamp.com
Starting a forum.... start another thread maybe?
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