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Ryan_steyn wrote:

Has it ever occurred to anyone that if "more peoplee" used msn they may be inclined to pimp their algorithms just like google? and we would have other people saying that they wished more people would use google.... its a twisted circle people!!! plus, msn does generally suck... even hotmail sucks... it got upgraded with msn live and went from crap to big pile of crap. What a twist

Google is (despite to small fire thats poofs out everytime i think about optimizing for it) pretty damn helpful if you consider that lots of people get a ton of business for free from it... what does msn do?

Don't know where you guys are getting your facts from but MSN is currently ranked #2 at Alexa ahead of google (#3), live.com is ranked 5th behind youtube, so as far as search engine pages MS has #2 and #4 and thats not too shabby.

Ryan_steyn wrote:

Has it ever occurred to anyone that if "more peoplee" used msn they may be inclined to pimp their algorithms just like google?

And that's where the catch 22 situation is.......the benchmark has been set, and for search, it's google

google leads at search - google entered the industry offering search

Yahoo excels at direcries and social interaction - yahoo was the first major book mark dirctory

microsoft leads the field with home and small office software - the same field it was in when it first started

until a new way of monetizing search engines is dreamed up, no one else will bother to seriously tackle these big players

we may all profit, but they profit more.............[sounds similar to something i read once about farmyard animals and pigs ??? mmm going to go and look for similarities between the internet community and marxism, dread to think what i might find]

given the topic this thread is posted in is "Other Search Engines and Pay Per Click Campaigns" then I'm guessing the context of 'use msn' is 'use msn or windows live internet search engine'

Northie wrote:

given the topic this thread is posted in is "Other Search Engines and Pay Per Click Campaigns" then I'm guessing the context of 'use msn' is 'use msn or windows live internet search engine'

Right, but everybody is crying into their beers that they spent all this time worrying about how they were ranked on MSN, and I was just offering a solution to monetize on MSN's huge amount of traffic instead of just wishing for the impossible.

Northie wrote:

given the topic this thread is posted in is "Other Search Engines and Pay Per Click Campaigns" then I'm guessing the context of 'use msn' is 'use msn or windows live internet search engine'

correct and i started the thread.

jminkler wrote:

So, if you wanted to "waste" your time getting #1 at msn blahblahblah "Darn I spent all this time getting to #1 on a bad search engine, I wish more people would use it."

i spent no time and no effort on getting that result with live.com - it happened 100% natural and 100% organic so i'm really not stressed about it, my point was 'i'm surprised to be ranked that well, it's cool and it would be great if more people used live.com for search as it would be good for us'

we're top 3/4/5 for a search term on google with 104,000,000 other results, i know where to place my efforts when it comes to targeting. i've also not shed a tear over it, let alone into my beer. nor will i.

i agree with dave's 2c, move on.

1-555-confide wrote:

My site is ranking similarly in both MSN and Google.

I think most people use Google out of habit as it has been the superior search engine for several years, it also has a nicer "look and feel".

Like asking for a Kleenex, not a tissue lol.

Name recognition and staying in the news helps Google.
When your business name morphs into a verb you've got
it made.

Never heard " I am msning for... or "Need to yahoo that term...",
"Have you lived for those keywords yet????) lol

matte wrote:

the MSN market share is interesting, considering new computers shipped with Windows also comes with IE which has MSN as default search engine as the home page....

But MSN is not billed as just a search engine, its a content based site.