thegyspsy wrote:

travelagent wrote:

LOL -- you used to be an ass... ... what; me cranky this week?  Nah; just pointing out a few things in my usual way...

Just for the record I still CAN be... a talent like that never goes away... almost mandatory in my position ... my wife does all the 'nice' stuff and I get all the dirty work (problem clients, firing staff, vendor problems yada yada... need thick skin)

Well -- that's one of several things we have in common; I've had almost 60 years to perfect mine ... want some pointers?

BTW- if anyone here wants to add an article please PM or email me directly (or Mark)

i quit reading SEO articles myself for almost the same reasons with the others. i guess i became tired of reading repeated or rephrased articles. then i switched to joining SEO forums and almost have seen myself quit again. too many arrogant and self-righteous people being very dogmatic with their SEO strategies. fortunately, i found site-reference and have been improving with my SEO a little bit at a time

nice attempt at putting this one back on the rails soul but i think it is to far gone..... what with the arrogrant stuck up PC on Ta's lips.... the dodgy lil area close 30miles from northie where where PC lives... and Gypsy's defence of his ability to be an ass. Then Nic tops it off with a real Off Topic smiley I do believe this topic is further gone than the butterfly caught on my winshield this morning.

There is a distinct difference in tone between a tutor teaching remedial work to an adult and someone teaching a first grader. Receiving vast amounts of remedial studies through Site Reference, I know you’ve all treated me as an adult, who needs a lot of work to understand what I’m being taught. Nah, Northie, you haven’t talked down to me. When I don’t understand something, I ask, and I seem always to get full answers. What could be better?!

Thanks for the two links about LSI – the first link took too long to get to the definition, but, had I not read that one, I would have stayed lost with Dave’s article. I remember reading Dave’s article before, but it’s over my head so much I didn’t understand it at all. At least this time, I understood it enough to know why I wasn’t going to understand it. (Don't worry, Dave, you're obviously writing to people who do understand you, so no need to dummy down for me. I'll get it eventually. And, remember, if Amateur can understand it easily, there would be no need for hiring professionals. )

I now get the gist that keyword phrases optimizing is good too, which I do anyway. With such limited knowledge absorbed about Boolean’s Logic (I worked hard to try to understand Dave’s article LOL) and the cursory “knowledge” of binary systems, I know I could understand it all, if I took a few more courses in college. With that, I now can disagree with you, Northie. (Ain’t I gettin’ bold?! :LOL:) If the original article that started this thread was for beginners, which it seems to be, there wouldn’t be enough room to include that into the article, nor would many beginners understand it. Of course, I do agree with you about the other ideas that should have been included.

Northie wrote:

Firstly I would like to appologise if anyone felt patronised by my post (I've been very patronising lately, I'm afraid).

To pick up on a couple of issues from atwhatcost has asked -

LSI - latent semantic indexing. thegyspsy has written a good post on it, and there's a good SR article on it as well.

LSI
http://www.site-reference.com/articles/ … Is-It.html

think this is one of Dave's
http://www.site-reference.com/articles/ … ation.html

being able to trust writers - this is where anyone who studied history at university has an advantage. remember when you asked them "Why are you studying history? what job can you do with that?". Less about the jobs (I studied physics, now look at me!) and look more at the skills - Historians have it drilled in to them not to trust anything and to uncover the reason why the information was written, rather than take the 'facts' straight from the text. Here, the reason for writing an article is usually to get a relevant link back to your company/website; or to gain some credibility in a chosen discipline.

If you are trying to learn the ropes on anything new, no matter what it is, remember to always listen to both sides of any conflicting information you hear. Being able to take in both sides and make up your own mind will mean that you can later apply both sets of knowledge  - or your own deduced knowledge -if a certain situation arises.

remembering different points of view will allow you to make an informed choice when more information comes along.

For example, most people (maybe everyone) participating in these forums practices white hat techniques. However, black hat techniques (come on, they're only labels!) can be profitable for those who want to follow that path. Most of us would dismiss the advice out of hand, but it may be useful for some......

atwhatcost wrote:

There is a distinct difference in tone between a tutor teaching remedial work to an adult and someone teaching a first grader. Receiving vast amounts of remedial studies through Site Reference, I know you’ve all treated me as an adult, who needs a lot of work to understand what I’m being taught. Nah, Northie, you haven’t talked down to me.

Well -- if ya feel bad about not having someone talk down to you, I've got all day...

Now, as for everyone else agreeing that SEO is over used as an article topic, so they tend to ignore it, I’d like you to reconsider.

First, having followed Site Reference for over three years now, I stopped reading those kinds of articles for a year, too. After reading them again, I found out there was new info!!! When I first subscribed to SR the main SEO was reciprocal links, now it’s one-way back links. Not a big change, but, given the vast amount of changes within just the last five years for search engines and computers, is it possible that SEO won’t keep changing?

Second, from all the SEO articles I’ve read, reading a variety of authors on one subject has clarified so much for me. Hopefully, by reading everything on keyword phrases and LSI, I know I’ll eventually understand that area of SEO too one day.

Third, it also sparks our imagination for our own websites. There will always be Noobs and Amateurs. Since so many of you do SEO, writing the articles still has benefits. After all, if there is only one SEO article every 3-6 months, will Noobs even consider researching SEO, if they don’t know what it is?

On the other hand, I sure agree, Matte! I hate wasting my time reading articles that are strictly self-promotion.

Dave, thanks! I learned a lot more about searching just through your post, and, this time, I understand.

total number of backlinks to the top 10 in google, as reported by MSN

Northie, how do I find that? What do I search for in MSN to get results for Google?

BTW- if anyone here wants to add an article please PM or email me directly (or Mark)

Nic, ummm, actually almost ready to send ya an article, but the holidays have caught up to me, before I'm ready (again. LOL) Would you be interestred in my article on Laiden Simamatic Icycle?! j/k about the title, but I am almost ready to send an article in.

Wouldn't mind a tutorial on how to set it up for SR without using proofing or ghost writers though. I can write, I just don't do html easily, and have noticed different articles are formated differently.

Well -- if ya feel bad about not having someone talk down to you, I've got all day...

Well, nahhh, don't feel bad about it at all...and, I can talk down to myself well enough.   LOL

atwhatcost wrote:

Well, nahhh, don't feel bad about it at all...and, I can talk down to myself well enough.   LOL

Damn; sounding like an ol' married woman already...

After all, if there is only one SEO article every 3-6 months, will Noobs even consider researching SEO, if they don’t know what it is?

Surely if they... like me (self upgraded to knowledgable noob )... and other people i have spoken to, will search the net and find most of the articles already written? Research is a hunt, why would anyone not be able to find an article and give up seo? Its not like people new to seo flat out ignore anything more than a month old  . I can however see why this is a bad idea, some sites need the constant articles for content, so in retrospect i dont mind ignoring articles, i just thought the solid articles (not built for content) should wait a while to build up enough information on changes in the seo world to make them a good read instead of "oh yeah, ive done that a couple of times" article.