Just came across this really great site for new people struggling with web design; CSS; etc ... looks like many of us "seasoned Vets" can pick up some new ideas at Web Design From Scratch

It's really annoying

I love all the looks of the sites shown there

I can code HTML and CSS to a serious degree, but my graphic design skills pull me back from creating real masterpieces.

I'm trying to take the template from [www.healthfitnessarticlesweb.com] and apply it to [www.yorkoutdoorgroup.org.uk]

(both sites of mine)

Yessir, I found it somewhat annoying to a degree also -- but it's geared for those who struggle with how to make websites properly ... LOL; you're like me ... we're Graphics Handicapped!

Annoying maybe, but I did find the site helpful. For the beginners this could be a highly beneficial site.

I usually refer to my self as being handigraphed. Can see what I want just can't seem to be able to make it.

travelagent wrote:

LOL; you're like me ... we're Graphics Handicapped!

It's better than being "everything else handicapped"

I can make pretty much anything I want with graphics (not flash yet). Then you have to wonder why you wanted it to look like that? It's actually scarier. Thinking women were doing most of the gift shopping made my site look way different than I imagined, which would have had more of the "gorillas testing luggage" look if I had my way...

If any of you think I could help with a graphics "vision" PM me. I'd give a try anyway. Most things just take a couple of minutes & I'd be happy to help.

"Gorillas testing luggage" ... ROTFLMAO!!!

DMX wrote:

If any of you think I could help with a graphics "vision" PM me. I'd give a try anyway. Most things just take a couple of minutes & I'd be happy to help.

I just might take you up on that!  Did you make all of the images on your site?

Yes, with one exception, on search.asp the fairy image was by a Hawaiian college student.

I sent you my email. Let me know what you're looking for.

I just found where the messages were Oooops. Hope Matte & Jody don't have a calendar or anything..

That OK DMX

Just like in the movies you found it with 3 seconds to spare before it exploded and removed all signs of your existence on Site Reference.

So, uhhmmm, while I was joking about the shock collar, you were out getting batteries?

travelagent wrote:

Just came across this really great site for new people struggling with web design; CSS; etc ... looks like many of us "seasoned Vets" can pick up some new ideas at Web Design From Scratch

I've seen this before, but I forgot about it.  Thanks TA - it actually is very useful for what I am working on today.

Great info, thanks for the link.

Maybe this will help with all my issues that I'm having with my new site. Trying to get the damn CSS to work properly with IE and FF at the same time.

Maybe that site will give me some other pointers too.... arg, was suppose to have my other site done LAST weekend, but ran into major css problems.... but thats all for another post....

MrStitch wrote:

Maybe this will help with all my issues that I'm having with my new site. Trying to get the damn CSS to work properly with IE and FF at the same time.

Are we by any chance talking about horizontal margins?

Thats just one of the issues. I'm trying to make a horizontal nav and it doesn't want to come out properly, with the little divider lines I have in place.

I'm thinking of resizing the text, which might help some, but it sure won't eliminate it.

The other stuff might be fixed if I just scrap the CSS file, and start a new one. I compared a couple things from my work site and seen that I did several things differently. Maybe (crosses fingers), I'll be able to get it done this weekend.

Of course... I said that last weekend too.

I have gotten things to appear pretty much the same in IE 6-7, opera, safari & FF1.5 - 2.0, but it's by lying to Internet Explorer in a "hack". Look for "Holly Hack" & "Tan Hack"..

My CSS needs cleaned up still, but this is why things started working correctly. You are sort of telling all the browsers it's 167px wide, then telling IE in their invisible html "wrapper" ear that its really only 155px, so that when they double the friggin margins for no reason I can think of, it works out...

#centercontent {
    voice-family: "\"}\"";
    voice-family: inherit;
                     margin-right:167px;
    }

html>body #centercontent {
    margin-right:155px;
    }

If that seems odd, imagine being a carpenter and trying to wrap your head around it...

DMX wrote:

I have gotten things to appear pretty much the same in IE 6-7, opera, safari & FF1.5 - 2.0, but it's by lying to Internet Explorer in a "hack". Look for "Holly Hack" & "Tan Hack"..

My CSS needs cleaned up still, but this is why things started working correctly. You are sort of telling all the browsers it's 167px wide, then telling IE in their invisible html "wrapper" ear that its really only 155px, so that when they double the friggin margins for no reason I can think of, it works out...

#centercontent {
    voice-family: "\"}\"";
    voice-family: inherit;
                     margin-right:167px;
    }

html>body #centercontent {
    margin-right:155px;
    }

If that seems odd, imagine being a carpenter and trying to wrap your head around it...

i prefer

  <!--[if IE]>

   <style type="text/css">

.class-name {

     //blah blah blah

}

   </style>

  <![endif]-->

The IE double border thing -

The CSS/CSS2 specification has no interpretation guide.

That is, the documents in the specification don't make everything clear.

And in some cases the user agents do something else entirely.

For example - the box model

IE will put a border on the outside, hence making the object bigger (sum of borders in each direction)
FF will put the border on the inside, making the available content smaller...

Thanks Northie,

I'm giving that a try when I make the effort to "clean up" the css on mine.

Now that it seems to be working fine though, it may fall under my own interpretation of the K.I.S.S. acronym:

Kan't Initiate Stupid Suffering, where I have to leave it alone..

I fixed my nav problem in about an hour this weekend.

What did I do? I completely scrapped the CSS file, and tossed the rule book in the corner.

Then built the css file using logic, and tweaked as needed. In an hour I had the thing working fine, in both browsers, and all resolutions.

Frickin' rules!

MrStitch wrote:

I fixed my nav problem in about an hour this weekend.

Anybody interested in a nice, clean CSS- based menu that gives the SERP benefits of text links, uses two small cached images, and looks pretty cool, might want to check this out - http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic2/vertical06.htm There a bunch of others there also to suit individual style and application...