#1 2006-08-02 19:01:16
- kevchi
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My site is falling in Yahoo!
My site used to be on the first page in yahoo with keyword "marine exhaust manifold" but now it drops to 11th. It seems that it happened gradually at the beginning and it dropped rapidly after the site converted to dynamic (except the coding, we didn't change anything relating to content and keywords). But I can see that other dynamic site can sit on the 1st page.
Another interesting thing is that I use the same keyword in Google, it rises to the 1st page (previously 3 or 4). Do you guys have any idea about that?
my site address is http://www.manifoldwarehouse.com
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#2 2006-08-03 03:18:38
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Re: My site is falling in Yahoo!
This is because different SEs
use different matrices to rank
web pages. The change you
made can be the reason to
go down. But it may not be the
only one. That's why you still
see other dynamic sites at top.
If you need to figure out well
you need to do thorough
analysis (Indexed pages,
Inbound links)on the ones that
at the top now.
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#3 2006-08-03 15:58:18
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Re: My site is falling in Yahoo!
Ya, I should do what you say not only to those sites on the first page now, I should do a study on my own site too. My question is, any good tools available to do these tasks? I have one in use but not so comprehensive.
Another thing is I want to register individual pages of my site. However, many SE remind not do so. I also want to do some link exchanges with some quality sites to pushing up the PR but I also heard that many SE don't like reciprocal links.
So I am in a dilemma of what I supposed to do. You know, there are many information which are both right but contradict with each other in some way.
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#4 2006-08-03 17:14:18
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Re: My site is falling in Yahoo!
Instead of two way links, http://info.vilesilencer.com/main.php?r … ndly-m.php has a list of 400 or so search engine friendly directories that accept one way links.
If you have the budget there is a service that will do it for you for a few hundred US $'s.
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#5 2006-08-04 03:14:40
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Re: My site is falling in Yahoo!
Well, it's hard for me to get sufficient $ for SEO things in my company. It's all my personal interest to learn these SEO things and gain some fun at work. That's why I always search the web for those site with free tools.
Even I have sufficient fund, I have no confidence to find a good service as there are tons of companies saying they are the best (from what they say, they should be the best). But how could I figure out for I don't know them at all? It is time consuming and also makes me a very good chance to waste money.
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#6 2006-08-04 04:39:36
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Re: My site is falling in Yahoo!
There are plenty of analyzing tools,
again to be confused. Here are two
good free tools to do your analysis.
http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/
http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/backlinks/
I also have a nice tool with me, Web Site Dignity
Search. (See my signature).
Reciprocal linking is a vast topic.
It's not bad if you do it right.
Do it only with related site.
See for quality of the site, the
placement you get in prior to
Google Page Rank, Alexa Rank etc.
Don't accept requests just because someone
has linked to you. Clarify them you only deal
with relevant ones.
Take care to include keywords in the
anchor texts of your listing. Don't
use "same" listing with all sites.
Make about 10-20 different listings
and use them circularly.
Be patient and polite. Not all you link
will link back. But they will probably
do when you grow up. Continue politeness
in your emails. Don't threaten them
like "If you don't, I remove". Instead,
if the site really good keep it. They will
consider, when they get hits from you
and when SEs show your link-back.
Here are two directories that you will
find tons of partners,
http://value-exchange.sitesell.com/
http://www.linkpartners.com/
For one-way links, here is a good
list of directories with important
information and tracking capability.
http://www.123promotion.co.uk/directorymanager/
Do consider Article Marketing, Press Releases
and more importantly "content of your own site".
You will do fine.
Finally, if you still haven't read, do read this article.
It will give great insights.
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/2010.htm
All The Best!
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#7 2006-08-06 02:32:26
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Re: My site is falling in Yahoo!
Hey guys,
Thank you very much for your tips and links. It's my turn now to push my site up again.
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#8 2006-08-08 07:36:35
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Re: My site is falling in Yahoo!
kevchi wrote:
Another thing is I want to register individual pages of my site. However, many SE remind not do so. I also want to do some link exchanges with some quality sites to pushing up the PR but I also heard that many SE don't like reciprocal links.
So I am in a dilemma of what I supposed to do. You know, there are many information which are both right but contradict with each other in some way.
Firstly mate, the Google Sitemap program is an excellent way to present your individual pages all together on a special site map. Just search 'Google Sitemap' in Google and read about it.
Also when you do a 'free submit' to Yahoo, you have the option of making a .txt document with the URLs of all your pages and submitting that as "yoursite.com/urllist.txt
Other than these two methods approved by the SEs themselves, once your site has been indexed, if your other pages have links from the index page or you have a page named 'sitemap' and they're all on that as links, then they should all be indexed when your site is next crawled (and that's up to you and your 'ever-changing content').
Secondly, as far as I know, SEs have no problem with reciprocal links. It's just that links that are 'incoming' ONLY, are far more valued and weighted for PR purposes. It's not that they don't like them. They just don't like them AS MUCH as they like the other. 
I know traffic exchanges (like Linkmarket.net) are frowned on by Google, but if you only add a few each week, how can anyone know where they came from. SEs only get suspicious about traffic Exchanges and buying links etc, when idiots put 20 or 30 links (or more) up at once.
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#9 2006-08-08 08:06:45
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Re: My site is falling in Yahoo!
As it has been mentioned, (Gaya I think) link building programs can be a VERY complicated little beast. We have a few projects right now that we are ‘cleaning up’ their link profiles. These are folks that have gone ‘willy nilly’ getting back links (paid, recip, directories etc..)
We have one with over 13 000 and we still have to start diggin in there to ‘scrub’ them out. We get more than a few requests (per week) asking , “I am dead in Google! Why? Please help us!”
In about 80% of these types of cases it is the link profile which is the cause. We had a fellow SEO (ahem) come to us with such a problem with a client on a dating site. For the life of him he couldn’t figure out why Goog had given the site the ‘heave-ho’. Jeez. Within 10 minutes we found he had over 9 Million.. ooh yes.. 9 000 000 back links showing in Yahoo (the Goog link: operator is useless).
WOW.. that may just be it huh?
Anyhoo, link building programs are as important, if not more, as your keyword research. Great care must be used.
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#10 2006-08-08 20:30:30
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Re: My site is falling in Yahoo!
I can't find any backlinks to your main domain (Yahoo or Google). Maybe you should get some linking going, rather than be wary of too many. None is certainly not too many...
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#11 2006-08-08 23:48:33
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Re: My site is falling in Yahoo!
G'day Kev. Welcome to the forum. 
You need to do some basic work to your meta title and description and your page heading and subheading. Get these sorted out before you go looking for some major, hi-tech problem. It may be that algorithm changes, designed to catch out spamming, have got you. 
Sure looks like spamming in the head, to me. And pretty poor customer information at the top of the page. 
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#12 2006-08-09 23:20:19
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Re: My site is falling in Yahoo!
laurie_m wrote:
G'day Kev. Welcome to the forum.
Sure looks like spamming in the head, to me. And pretty poor customer information at the top of the page.
Regards,
Laurie.
Have to AGREE with this mate. You're not permitted to have the same keyword any more than 3 times in you Keyword meta. Also, your Description Meta is FAR too long and the engine types are repetitive. This would definitely have the Google Bot's ears ringing.
I'd say google have definitely bypassed you because of your spamming the head.
Wiz 
*P.S. You cango 'a little' over the recommended, sometimes, but not this far.
*PPS. manifold and manifolds are two different words, so you get a bit of a break there...
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